Mark of a Cult—Michael Rood, Passion for Truth Ministries, Hebrew Roots

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There are a whole bunch of these groups cropping up. Their main message—we need to follow the Mosaic Law.

I don’t know where to begin with the issues I have with these groups.

One thing I’ve noticed is that they change the Bible. In some cases, they’ve rewritten the Bible over and over because as they change things, new issues crop up. The one significant thing they’ve change is the word “new covenant” to “renewed covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31 clearly states. “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.” Jeremiah 31: 31-33

The word “new” here is clearly not “renewed.”

Some of these group members also call themselves “Jews.” Revelation is clear that this is a bad sign.

“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” Revelation 3:9

Most of these groups reject large parts of the New Testament because they can’t justify what they’re teaching and accept the whole Bible. The problem is, they don’t realize that the Old Testament points to Jesus Christ as King of a Kingdom with a new set of laws. The Mosaic system was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross and a new era with a new covenant began when He rose from the dead.

“If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.  For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.  For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.  And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,  Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.  For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.  For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.  And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. “

Hebrews 7:11-22

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  1. You are clearly misinformed and just spouting out random thoughts. The main message of Hebrew Roots is “Jesus saved us, so now we should obey His Commandments like He told us to, and teach them to all nations.”

    Mainstream Christianity has thrown out God’s Instruction Manual, the Torah, as an obsolete relic that only applies to some dead Jews in a desert somewhere, and then they proceed to teach the flock to tithe. It truly is an amazing thing.

    If you’re interested in a rational, logical discussion of Scripture instead of throwing crazy accusations at your brothers in Christ, stop by my blog.

    • “Mainstream Christianity has thrown out God’s Instruction Manual, the Torah, as an obsolete relic that only applies to some dead Jews in a desert somewhere…”

      This is something I’ve read and heard from almost everyone involved in this movement and it’s not true.
      Romans 7:1-4 says “Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
      Man is under the law as long as he lives but something happens to a person when they accept Jesus Christ. There is a death.
      Roman 6:3-11 “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
      Every church I’ve ever been to teaches from the whole Bible, including the Mosaic Law. When the Bible is looked at as a whole and things are kept in context, it agrees from Genesis to Revelation. That is not the case when you put the Hebrew Roots movement theology to the test of scripture. Again, Hebrews 7:11-22 says:
      “If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.”

      “and then they proceed to teach the flock to tithe.”

      I have been in churches that teach tithing but that doesn’t mean it’s a correct teaching.
      Romans 1:1 “Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ”
      Galatians 1:10 “For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.”
      Colossians 4:12 “Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ”
      James 1:1 “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ”
      2 Peter 1:1 “Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”
      2 Peter 2:16b “but as the servants of God.”

      We who accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour are bondservants to Christ when we give our lives to Him. Therefore, everything belongs to Him—not just 10%.

      “logical discussion of Scripture instead of throwing crazy accusations at your brothers in Christ,”

      As with my original post, what you see is scripture. It is not random. I have studied this movement and this movement consistently takes scripture passages that have been changed or taken out of context to the point of no longer being scripture.

      It sounds like you’ve had a bad experience with traditional church as have I. However, that doesn’t mean the Bible is wrong. I hope you will take the time to read it from front to back without pointing it towards any final conclusions and let the Holy Spirit speak to you so that you may find Truth.

  2. You are misinformed my friend. I will come at it from the classical christian education point of view. If you are so concerned then teach why we should not keep the commandments statutes and judgments of God. We do not keep them for salvation, but there has been confusion between salvation and lifestyle. Which commandments are still for us? Why? Which ones are done away? Why? Exegete the scriptures the same way any Pastor would. Look at the context. Don’t just say that you “have studied this movement.” Are we all supposed to take your word for it?
    Think about the fact that when the letters of the New Testament were written and people like Paul said “ALL scripture is good for…” there was NO New Testament. Also the words “New Testamnet” and “Old Testament” are man made. Go look up the heresy of Marcion and tell me that it does not sound familiar.
    You are talking to a Bible college student whose profs a=cannot prove him wrong! I am issuing a warning to watch yourself about teaching others that the very fabric of Gods instructions on how to live are somehow done away. Contrary to popular belief Jesus did not die on the cross so we could sit around eating bacon sandwiches. Scripture does not support it.
    I want to see scripture exegesis chapter and verse. Not bits of scripture that seem to prove your point. Look at the verses before and after, not just a sentence here and there. That is isogesis.
    Remember nobody has to do commandments. It is not a salvation issue, but I don’t want to face Jesus at the white throne and say “Well I know I didn’t have to do it so I didn’t bother.” Really? Is this our approach to a Holy God?

    • Galatians 4: 21-31 is clear.
      “Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
      Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.”

    • Confusion of lifestyle and salvation
      1. You cannot follow the Torah and Christ.
      – Hebrews 7: 11-20 “If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
      For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
      And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:”
      -By your Torah law, you cannot have a High Priest that is not from the levitical tribe. Jesus Christ is the High Priest of the Christian faith.
      -Did Paul follow the law? I’ve heard this debate among those of your religion. Paul wrote to the Galatians 5: 1-6 “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.” If Paul followed the Torah, why would he not tell everyone they needed to be circumcised?

      2. I’ve never met someone who actually keeps the Torah.
      -James 2: 8-11 “If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.” How can you claim to be “Torah observant” if you do not keep the whole law? I don’t know anyone who even keeps the Sabbath!

      As to your question, there is a big difference between commandments and laws. Having said that, Jesus Christ establishes His commandments of His Kingdom. You need to read the New Testament that outlines the New Covenant to gain this knowledge.

      New Testament Not Scripture

      If you had read all of II Timothy 3, you might not use this verse quite so out of context. And what was your accusation? Exegesis versus isogesis? Wow is that the pot calling the kettle black! Every entry on this blog uses masses of scripture. You don’t use any!!! Only a vague reference.

      -Did the people of Genesis have the law? No. Did Abraham have the written law? This is the most ridiculous argument ever! But if you bothered to read John, you’d understand that the New Testament, New Covenant body of believers had something better—The Word, Jesus Christ in the flesh establishing His Kingdom.

      This movement is:
      1. Not Christian
      2. believes they have the right to pick and choose what is and is not scripture
      3. filled with double standards and circular reasoning
      4. so much like the original sin. I don’t know of a church that does not teach both the Old and New Testament. Yet that’s the lie this movement is built on. If you actually read the Bible, you’d see how the two fit perfectly together.

      • I’m glad that this movement(Hebraic) is not Christian. The biggest sign to identify the new church of Christ was to be unity. Just read Jesus’ prayer(John 17). If the Bible passage that states “for great is the power of the prayer which a righteous man prays”(James 5:16) is true, then these are some of the MOST POWERFUL WORDS ever uttered and they show the heart of Jesus and his Father very clearly… they wanted this new church kingdom to be united!!! So by this one parameter alone the modern Christian church with its myriad sects and denominations cannot be the church which Jesus prayed into existence.
        The problem that you two are having is that of Source Documents. You are both quoting passages from different Bibles and that is the same reason for all of the division and confusion in the Christian Church. Each denomination is using a different Bible or translation of such!
        You two first have to agree on a common source Bible that you deem to be the most reliable before you start firing passage ‘bullets’ at each others arguments. If you are not working from the same manuscripts how can you possibly resolve this issue?
        Please consider the Aramaic English New Testament translated by Andrew Gabriel Roth which many consider to be the most reliable due to the fact that Aramaic was the language that Jesus and his apostles spoke and wrote in. If this works I’m confident that you will be able to sort this out.

      • Don’t confuse organized religion with a true follower of Jesus Christ. They are not the same thing.
        LOL. No the problem is not the source document. The problem is the lack of any scripture quotes in the replies. And that is not the reason for division in denominations either. No they do not each use a different translation. I’ve attended several different denominations and used the same Bible everywhere I went.
        I would never consider any Bible “translated” by one person. There needs to be more than one on a project like that as the scriptures establish.
        Matthew 15-20“Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
        And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”
        II Corinthians 13:1 “This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.”
        I Corinthians 14:27-29 “If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.”
        Are you sure Jesus and his apostles spoke and wrote in Aramaic? Jesus spoke more than one language and we have no idea what language he wrote in. We are never told much about language. However exceptions are pointed out and those are usually Aramaic. Paul, the author of much of the New Testament, definitely wrote in Greek.
        In the end, I believe that God was able to preserve His word and what you are saying is that mankind has not had access to God’s word until now.I just don’t believe God is that small. And then there is the Bible itself–no man could have put this book together.
        Michael Rood was and is a cult leader. Not sure why anyone would want to follow someone with as little integrity as him.

  3. im so confused am i supposed to keep the sabbath and what day is it?

    • The Sabbath is mentioned in the Ten Commandments.
      Exodus 20: 8-1 says: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
      That means that in our calendar the Sabbath is Saturday.

      Keeping the Sabbath is another matter. NO ONE I know keeps the Sabbath as directed in the Bible. Many of those who claim to be Torah observant treat the Sabbath much the same as a Christian would treat Sunday but the two are completely different from each other. There are a few questions you need to ask yourself.
      1. Who is directed to keep the Sabbath?
      Exodus 20:2 says: “I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.”
      Ezekiel 20:12 says: “Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.”

      God is speaking directly to the Israelites here. The Law is for the Israelites.

      2. Can we keep the Sabbath? First you have to know what is required to keep the Sabbath.
      a. No work could be done on the Sabbath.
      Ex. 20:10- “But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:”
      Lev. 23:3- “Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.”
      Jer. 17:21-22- “Thus saith the LORD; Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem; Neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers.”
      b. No fire could be built
      Exodus 35:3- “Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.”
      c. You could not travel
      Exodus 16:29- “See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.”
      d. No trade could be conducted
      Amos 8:5- “Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?”
      e. No market could be open for business
      Nehemiah 10:31- “And if the people of the land bring ware or any victuals on the sabbath day to sell, that we would not buy it of them on the sabbath, or on the holy day: and that we would leave the seventh year, and the exaction of every debt.
      13:15,19- “In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals.”

      f. Double offering which in this context is talking about sacrifices
      Numbers 28:9- “And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:”

      g. New showbread in the Holy place
      Leviticus 24:8- “Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.”

      And If you broke any of these, the penalty was death.
      Exodus 31: 14-16 says: “Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. ”
      Just to mention, this is where false teachers like Michael Rood conveniently shift gears away from being Torah observant to being under the blood of Christ. It doesn’t work that way. (Romans 7, Galatians 4: 21-31)
      (Note: This information comes from “Let Us Reason Ministries” You can get all the information provided on this subject at: http://www.letusreason.org/7thAd4.htm )
      3. Should we keep the Sabbath? The Sabbath is part of the law and we are no longer under the law. Romans 6: 14-15 says: “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.”
      The Sabbath observations were and are part of law, a part of a covenant made between God and Israel.

      In Matthew 11: 28-30, Jesus says: “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
      That’s what the Sabbath was all about—rest. As followers of Jesus Christ, He is our rest.
      For more information that includes Bible verses to back what they say, check out: http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp93.htm

      • I’m not a great theologian by any means and I’ve never been to semanary. I haven’t even taken a single college Bible / Christian course. However I am a student of the Bible and I do believe it to be completely true, of the one True Almighty God, and the words inside the Bible to be applicable to our lives today. So you can field my questions in how ever manner you feel fit, and I would prefer from both sides of this argument. I don’t want to get caught up in this banter of whether or not we are suppose to try to keep God’s commandments, which commandments (if any) we are to try to keep, who they’re for in ancient time and now, for what length of human time are they for, and so on. My faith is In Christ and what He accomplished on the cross for me. My debt has been paid in full by His blood. Out of my understanding of what He willing and selflessly did for me, I want to follow Him. My faith in Christ should change my actions to bring Him glory. Hopefully my post will do just that. It’s seems these posts lack points. So I’ll try to make mine easy to understand.

        First question is this: what is the argument being made throughout these posts? Is there are concise easy to understand argument?

        Second:
        Ticklingwontdo ‘s above post has a couple of questions:
        (This is copied and pasted from above) – 1. Who is directed to keep the Sabbath? His conclusion is that this commandment was for the Israelites.
        So my question is this: by your conclusion, we don’t have to follow any commandment ever given by God because they were only given to the Israelites? So it’s OK to murder and commit adultery? What about worshiping other gods? Since those commandments only apply to the Israelites, these things don’t apply to me?

        Third: ticklingwontdo’s second question asks if we can keep the Sabbath. I am assuming he means are we physically capable of keeping the Sabbath. I don’t see a conclusion listed in his argument. What is your conclusion? My question would be if ancient people could do it why can’t we?

        Fourth: the third question posed by ticklingwontdo is Should We Keep The Sabbath? My question is this: should be obey any of God’s commandments? If yes, which ones? If no, why?

      • Nathan asks, “what is the argument being made throughout these posts? Is there are concise easy to understand argument?”
        There is a movement within Christian circles to return to practicing Torah Law. This is not biblical and in short, reduces Jesus Christ to nothing more than a Passover lamb, stripping Him of His deity and His Lordship. Beyond that, this movement has no intention of keeping Torah Law, mocking the authority, sanctity and holiness of God.

        Nathan says, “So my question is this: by your conclusion, we don’t have to follow any commandment ever given by God because they were only given to the Israelites? So it’s OK to murder and commit adultery? What about worshiping other gods? Since those commandments only apply to the Israelites, these things don’t apply to me?”

        This is a very typical argument of Hebrew roots followers and it’s just another example of how they distort scripture. I wish you’d read through my blog entries on the Ten Commandments. Jesus brings in His Kingdom with a new covenant and a new law. In Matthew 22: 37-40, we read: “Jesus said unto him, ‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.’” Where is your love if you commit murder and adultery? In truth, I find the Hebrew roots movement uses the Torah as a crutch that allows them to totally ignore these words of Jesus Christ and not love anyone beyond themselves.

        Nathan asks, “My question would be if ancient people could (keep the Sabbath) why can’t we?”
        Can and do are two different things. I like the question “do we have to?” better. As His followers, Jesus Christ is our Sabbath rest.

        Nathan says, “Should We Keep The Sabbath? My question is this: should be obey any of God’s commandments? If yes, which ones? If no, why?”

        You should ask a “Torah Observant” this question. They randomly pick and choose the laws they follow, mocking even the Sabbath law they claim to hold.
        No, we are not under Torah Law. We are under Christ’s new covenant provided He is truly our Lord and Saviour. You need to read the New Testament and then you will see that Jesus did establish His Kingdom with guidelines to follow.

  4. Interesting discussion.

  5. Its very interesting what you have said of this thinking by some on the convents claim. I’ve watched a DVD a friend gave me on this of Jim staley case for the covenant. I’ve always felt convicted of mans general apathetic sloppyness in respect to our Lord Jesus. I mean that little reverence for Him and His major role as creator is seldom given the press we should to Him. I am a firm believer in the very misrepresented day of rest and the churches obvious disdain for the commanend of rest having changed it to Sunday to me is a direct case of changing times ordinances as His words are so powerful . I’m not at all pleased on Sunday observance for it is a direct insult and has made a huge number of changes and makes up stories about it being changed which to me truely says man thinks he knows best.
    It’s no wonder there will be a number that go out on tangents when they see how we have said to Father well your sabbath I don’t keep as we say it’s wrong. More I believe the church in the early days changed it as they hated the Jews and many still do. The catholic aspect reinforces what I say as they were woeful in WW11 towards Fathers chosen people’s. if you hate Jews as a believer you have a war with Father. They’re His and we are going to see just how far the church is becoming a stinking corpse.
    So to this Jewish roots name that’s about I’m too very cautious in what is being said by some on this steadfast covenant teaching.
    The fact we are flouting boldly slack morals and not holding to aspects of how strong Jesus feels about this weak church makes me more aware of how Jesus makes His words hit me strongly when He says
    If you love me you will keep my commandments.
    Most in the church are weak in doing so

    • Jim Staley is a wolf in sheep clothing. The man is very engaging but his theology leaves a lot to be desired. Sound bites of scripture do not a solid theory make! I’d throw that tape in to the deepest darkest pit I could find.
      I have no idea what you’re saying so I don’t know how to respond so I’m just going to put some general comments out there.
      I already covered the Sabbath in detail. All I will say is I don’t know anyone that keeps the Sabbath as stated in the Bible!
      It really bothers me when I talk to the Torah observant crowd and ask them about the Torah only to have them tell me they can’t possibly keep the commandments and that only the Israelites in the desert had to. Really? When did God change the law? Who made you God to decide which laws still apply and which don’t?
      Or they talk about the commandments of God until you point out that they don’t even come close to following them and then their instructions!
      The entire Old Testaments point to Christ, the Torah points to Christ. I’m sorry that the Bible doesn’t support your theory that Christ points to the Torah. In reality, Torah observance is the rejection of faith.
      Ask yourself a few questions. Who had Jesus crucified? Why? Why were the apostles put in jail, given death penalties? If it was as you all claim that the Torah was still the same, nothing in the New Testament makes sense.
      As to the Catholic church and the Bible—you really need to do some serious, honest history study that doesn’t come from the sick mentality of the Torah observant crowd.
      I like to include scripture but in reality, this is the whole Bible we’re talking about. I guess II Corinthians 3 addresses a lot of these issues.
      “Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”

  6. […] See blog entry Mark of a Cult—Michael Rood, Passion for Truth Ministries, Hebrew Roots here: […]

  7. WHERE? pray tell, is the SPIRIT OF TRUTH?

    • Where is the Spirit of Truth?
      I think Jesus answered this question in John 16: 1-16
      “These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.”

      The Holy Spirit won’t disagree with Jesus, the Son or God, the Father. The word of God or as we call it, the Bible, will also be in agreement with the Holy Spirit. This is where Michael Rood, Jim Stalley or any of the other Torah observant crowd get into trouble because without fail, they change scripture.
      Do I believe the Spirit of Truth speaks to people? Yes. However, what He has to say will never disagree with Jesus, God or the word of God.

      • I do not know who Michael Rood is, but I have a friend that attends Jim Stalley’s church. I am a member of a Southern Baptist Church myself. Which scriptures has Michael Rood and / or Jim Stalley changed? Could you please list some or all of them, and then also list the correct scripture? Thank you!

      • If you study scripture, you don’t need to change it and your theology doesn’t shift like the sand. I can’t keep up with the Hebrew roots movement because they change their mind on their theology so often.

        It’s been a while since I caught up on Michael Rood. The last time I did any reading on him, he was trying to rewrite the Bible. I’ve seen enough of Jim Staley to know he distorts scripture but not sure where he changes things. I have no desire to go any deeper into my investigation of his theology.
        What I can say is every Torah observant group I’ve had contact with changes one verse. Jeremiah 31: 31 “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”

        This is what it says in the King James Bible. All Torah observant groups change the “new” to “renew.”
        That one little word makes a huge difference! And changing that one word caused Michael Rood a mountain of problems with the New Testament. That’s when he took on the task of rewriting it. Not sure where his theology is at now but when I last looked at him, he rejected every book written by the Apostle Paul.

        Paul said it best. “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1: 8)
        Anyone who preaches that we are still under the law is preaching a different gospel. Read Galatians. This isn’t new and has been thoroughly addressed in scripture.

  8. this entire thread is a joke, bc he doesnt post everyones comments. I have commented in this numerous times, and without fail the commentary never shows up. Mind you my reply’s were all respectful. We need to start a new thread on this, that is fair and open for everyones commentary. This way ppl can actually learn something. Thanks

    • If you took the time to read, you’d realize the reason you are not getting posted is because you do not use scripture in your responses. I don’t mind questions without scripture but I am not interested in posting random beliefs based on air.

  9. “Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly…Nevertheless, GOD’S SOLID FOUNDATION STANDS FIRM, with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” 2 Timothy 2:16,19

    “Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.” Isaiah 5:21

    “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Matthew 12:48

    “Pointing to his disciples.”
    “He looked at those in a circle around him.”
    “Not able to get near because of the crowd.”
    (Three views taken from the gospel accounts -Matthew, Mark, Luke)

    The point is, “My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice.” Luke 8:21

    This account does not say his mother and brothers were not his family…it only says they were outside because of the crowd. Can we say that Mary, his mother, did not hear God’s word?

    God is still Sovereign. I see no one here disputing that Christ (our Messiah) is God the KING. Because these bloggers know this and confess it. Why then do we argue amongst ourselves? Do we not know the trickery of the devils devices?

    “If a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.” Mark 3:25

    The very fact is that we all teach faith and preach the gospel of Yeshua the Messiah. Christ is being preached! Praise God for Jesus Christ for HE LIVES!

    “But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,” Phil 1:18

    Why did Paul feel this way? Because he knew that the wicked would be destroyed, but those who truly love God would be rescued.

    “But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.” Romans 2:8

    The word of God is a double-edged sword, and only God knows the deception of a person’s heart and who truly belong to him. How could man even know it?

    Together we can hold onto Jesus who made true the Scriptures and continues to do so. In this there is unity. What you believe in then is Christ. I hope! Trust God who made you that you can stand firm on the day of judgment, but do not judge any brother who fears the LORD and loves the word of God for it is this child that will be protected and defended. Even the enemies of the LORD who seek his protection through his word will have peace. Do you not know this?

    “Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged. We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.” Hebrews 6:17-19

    As it is written,
    The LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?” Zechariah 3:2

    Torah observance is putting into practice one’s faith in Yeshua according to the work of the Holy Spirit, not man’s self-righteousness to defend his man made traditions. The problem with our critical world of law is how one defines torah observance, and the problem with lawless Christians remains the sins of Jeraboam’s rebellion.

    If I believe in Messiah, Jesus Christ who was the word that became flesh, and you say to me I am not justified in my faith, and that I am actually damned because I want to love him by obeying his teachings. I say to you, I forgive you. Now sin no more!

    The LORD will return again and His kingdom will be in NEW Jerusalem as it is written in Revelation. Why then do you fight God’s ways if you know his laws are his teachings?

    • Galatians 1: 6-9 says, “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

      The Torah observant crowd not only changes the gospel, they utterly reject it. Jesus Christ is the living Word of God. Not the Torah. The law never brought salvation or justification.

      Galatians 2: 16

      “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”

      The Torah is not the Word of God. The Torah is a part of the word of God along with the Greek New Testament and the rest of the Old Testament. Jesus Christ is the Word of God and He spoke openly about the Kingdom of God He brought to earth. Jesus Christ, the Son of God outlined the laws of this kingdom in the New Testament. The Torah observant say these words are not scripture. How can Jesus Christ who is God speak and have those words not be Holy Scriptural words?

      What I see in the Torah observant movement is contradiction, a constant moving wave of theology that changes even during a conversation.
      Even in this response—if preaching Jesus is all that matters, why has the Torah observant movement criticized celebration of the birth of Christ? The Israelites celebrated the completion of the temple but we cannot celebrate the birth of Christ? In every turn, I see Jesus Christ depleted of His deity to the point that I’ve seen the Torah declared as Messiah! Why then do the Jews wait for their Messiah? I realize they missed Jesus but wouldn’t they know the Torah was their Messiah if that were the case?
      To be Torah observant is to reject Jesus Christ. The Bible explains that and all who want to understand need to turn off the likes of Michael Rood and Jim Staley and start reading with the help of the Holy Spirit.

      • This is the best discussion I’ve read on this website so far! Very interesting discussion with both sides using great scripture references.

        One point made by ticklingwontdo really caught my attention. It was the first sentence in the 4th paragraph. Here it is copied and pasted:
        “The Torah is not the Word of God”

        I’m not sure if ticklingwontdo understands what the word “Torah” means. It literally means God’s Instructions. It is also used to refer to the first five books of the Bible – Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. In some instances the word Torah is used to describe the entire Old Testament, and other instances the entire Old and New Testament – the Entire Bible.

        So the statement i copied and pasted from ticklingwontdo hopefully is an error on his / her part, because all of the definitions I just gave for the word Torah are most definitely the WORD OF GOD.

        Last question for ticklingwontdo:

        How do you explain John 1:14? NJKV “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth”

        This WORD that became flesh is Jesus! Please explain your response. Thank you!

      • I should have capitalized “The.” That may have helped. The Torah is not “The Word of God;” Jesus Christ alone has that title. He is “The Word of God.” The Torah is part of the word of God.

        Revelation 19:11-13
        “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
        His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
        And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.”

        The word of God includes the Torah. It also includes the rest of the Old Testament and the New Testament. We call it “The Bible.” It is the word of God.

        Revelation 20: 4
        “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

        Here is where the Hebrew Roots followers change things. They make the Torah “The Word of God.” The rest of the Bible is not considered scripture. They strip Jesus Christ of His deity by doing this and give more weight to the Torah than to Christ’s words in the New Testament.

  10. I have been a Christian since I was 19 years old. Jesus is extremely important to me and I have no desire to replace him with anything; however, I have been reviewing the materials and studies of Pastor Jim Staley. I have not found, to this point, that he suggests that there is anyway to Salvation, accept through Christ. He does not say that the Instruction (Law) provides a way to Salvation, only that we cannot know what sin is, if we don’t consider the Instruction.
    Though I am still in a mode of studying and prayer, I see only that Staley is saying that some Scriptures from the New Testament have been taken out of context, in that when the Writers would have been referring to the Scriptures, which at that time could have only been the Old Testament.
    As far as Christmas, I do not believe it is Christ that they have the problem with, but the fact that so much of Christmas is celebrated around items taken from pagan religions. In that 12/25 is not REALLY the time of year Christ was born, but made convenient to other pagan days at the time! When I first became a Christian, I did a study on Christmas (long before the Internet). I realized even then that Christmas had a LOT of others things besides Jesus at it’s center; however, I did not realize until researching it lately, just how wildly entwined the celebration has become. I am dealing now with the issue of whether it should not matter that that is NOT why I celebrate, compared to whether I should be more concerned about how God feels about it! Also one might ask why for so many years, Christmas as we think of it, did not exist!!! IF, and that remains to be determined, I buy into the teaching of Staley, I will still celebrate the birth of Christ, and all that He fulfills in the feasts. , perhaps it will not be the same time of year and it won’t look the same, BUT JESUS CHRIST, MY REDEEMER, IS MY ONLY SALVATION, and will remain my WAY!
    I think that Staley, has much to be considered! I also think the CHURCH, has much to answer for as it remains silent on so many issues of the day and as it continually kind of reshapes itself to more conveniently fit the mores. This is not what THE WORD requires of us! We are to live, while not becoming like the world. I am not sure many can distinguish us!
    I pray that all who seek TRUTH and the ONLY ONE TRUE WAY to SALVATION, Jesus Christ, will consider ALL HIS WORD, as HE requires of us!
    God’s Blessings and Peace.

    • I don’t usually post without scripture references but I will make an exception here.
      “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
      Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
      Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
      A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
      Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
      Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
      Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
      Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
      And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:15-23

      You mention salvation quite a bit but Jesus Christ is more than a saviour–He should be your Lord as well.
      I’ve only listened to Mr. Staley long enough to find his theology wanting. This “scripture” issue is splitting hairs. The Hebrew Roots movement people I’ve talked to reject the words of Jesus as not being scripture. No, all of scripture was not written when they were living out the New Testament. That doesn’t mean that the New Testament isn’t God inspired which is what scripture is.Jesus Christ is God!His words are scripture!
      2 Timothy 3:13-17
      “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
      But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
      And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
      All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
      That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”
      If you take the time to read all the posts here, these issues are addressed repeatedly.

      As for Christmas, I’ve looked at the pagan side of this but have found a lot of issues with some of the claims tying Christmas to certain pagan elements. I know that pagan religions lined up their festival days with Jewish feasts as well. Not sure that’s enough for me. I know the Israelites added a feast when they completed the temple. If they could do that, why can’t I celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, the one who would fulfill the law and usher in the Kingdom of God?
      Matthew 19: 13-15
      “Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
      But Jesus said, ‘Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.’
      And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.”
      People recognize the celebration of Christmas as the celebration of Jesus Christ. I’m not going to be the one to tell them not to worship Jesus Christ. In the end, Christmas is a personal choice.
      However, the feasts as I have seen celebrated within the Hebrew roots movement are not celebrations of Jesus Christ. They are pitiful representations of the sacrificial rites dictated in the Torah.
      Matthew 9: 14-17
      “Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?
      And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
      No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
      Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.”
      The feasts are an integral part of the Law of Moses. Jesus fulfilled that law and laid out new covenant “feasts” like baptism and the Lord’s supper. If you celebrate the feasts, you must keep the whole law. (James 2:10) I don’t know anyone who does that!
      You might find this site very helpful: http://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com

  11. There are many Scriptures that crumple the Torah folks’ theology; alas they ignore, twist, or re-define words found within those Scriptures in order to build the linguistic contraptions that they must to support their false belief system.

    Some Scriptures in particular that they have a hard time dealing with (as evidenced by their resorting to logical fallacies and insults in dialogue in my experience) are these:

    John 6:28-29
    28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

    29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

    During His ministry before the Cross, Christ Jesus preached the Law as one under the Law: He magnified it (Is 42:21, Matt. 5) while at the same time preparing His hearers for the New Covenant that would replace it (Jer. 31, Heb. 8) and be cut with His own Blood at the Cross. John 6 in part does that. Jesus went on in that chapter to replace Old Covenant provisions by God with Himself (Bread of Life replaces manna), and many could not conceive of such a thing, and many left Him.

    After the Cross, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and the giving of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, John, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, reiterates and clarifies the words of Christ:

    1 John 3:21-24
    21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23 >>>> And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. <<<< 24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

    Torah folk love to use the writings of John (his gospel, letters, and The Revelation) to proof-text Law-keeping for those in Christ. When read in context, however, and checking carefully the Greek in the apparent 'difficult' passages, it becomes clear that John is not preaching Old Covenant observance, but obedience to the Gospel: Who Christ is, what He came to do, and who we are in Him. After that, Love. It's really as simple as that.

    Another simple yet devastaingly clear Scripture to the Torah-pursuant crowd is:

    Galatians 5:18
    18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

    Torah folk claim that with the Holy Spirit, they are now able to keep the Law; yet Scripture is clear – if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under Law! Then they go about trying to re-define 'under', ha!

    I could go on, but there is so much . . . I've been studying the 'Hebrew Roots Movement' and related Law-keeping sects for several years now and debated many (including your first commenter) in several venues.

    The coolest thing? I've learned FAR more about the Gospel and the New Covenant in my studies that about the HRM. The biggest blessing? Every time I thought a Law-keeper had me on a doctrine or Scripture issue that seemed to support their view, when I've studied it out, I've always been amazed at how God has ordained and orchestrated the New Testament writings to support the New Covenant in Christ, and how it actually refutes very effectively the false doctrines of the Law-keeping sects. It really is very cool! I'm not so surprised anymore, but very, very thankful and still amazed =o).

    As for Jim Staley, yep, LOTS of false teaching there. I have several resources available if you would like to know more about this particular teacher and what he teaches – just email me via the contact page at JGIG (click on my username above). Michael Rood? He's been pretty much relegated to the fringe of the movement. Staley is not far behind; his teachings are getting more 'out there', as well.

    Grace and Peace in our Lord Jesus Christ,
    -JGIG
    (Joyfully Growing In Grace)

  12. Thank you for this. I’ll be taking a closer look at your blog.
    The word of God stands for itself on the issue of whether or not followers of Jesus Christ should be Torah observant. I so wish some of these people would take the time to study. Galatians is so clear on this matter. 2 Timothy has it right ” Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

  13. Please clarify your position . The article above apparently includes Passion for Truth as a cult. Yet just recently you had him on your live show as a guest and it was evident you agreed with his ministry and what he was teaching. Please explain the difference then and now. Some explanation is due and Passion for Truth has to have it’s name cleared as it is being haunted you today as being a cult.

    • LOL. So what do I look like on TV?


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